tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post6794060618709119046..comments2024-03-24T04:12:24.783-04:00Comments on A PERSON IN THE DARK: Leave Her To Heaven: Charlie's Strange Aunt on a TrainFlickChickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-14036285738904373212012-07-30T18:30:15.264-04:002012-07-30T18:30:15.264-04:00I saw "Leave Her to Heaven" yesterday an...I saw "Leave Her to Heaven" yesterday and now I think Bruno was an amateur compared to Ellen. I would be hard pressed to come up with a Noir character who was as cold-blooded and manipulative. I saw the drowning scene here on your blog, but, out of context, it didn't have much of an impact on me. After seeing how close Richard and Danny were, and getting to know Danny a bit, I was horrified! Thanks again for the post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13905876815071446021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-28623118878898120602012-07-21T22:29:18.188-04:002012-07-21T22:29:18.188-04:00Perry - Ellen is in some ways worse than Uncle Cha...Perry - Ellen is in some ways worse than Uncle Charlie. He murdered strangers for money and a pathological hatred. Ellen kills the brother her husband loves out of jealousy and also kills her unborn child for the same reason. She will creep you out.FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-10750900974586885662012-07-21T15:08:23.519-04:002012-07-21T15:08:23.519-04:00Thanks for the fine article. I've never seen &...Thanks for the fine article. I've never seen "Leave Her to Heaven," but I'm going to find it soon. But I doubt it's as creepy as "Shadow of a Doubt." Joseph Cotton was terrific in that one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13905876815071446021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-4953752301079020702012-07-15T12:40:29.063-04:002012-07-15T12:40:29.063-04:00Ivan! I have unleashed a monster! My personal favo...Ivan! I have unleashed a monster! My personal favorite might be Mrs. Danvers and Cody Jarret.FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-54502268168233923502012-07-15T10:21:13.964-04:002012-07-15T10:21:13.964-04:00Byron Orlok stars in a Joe Gillis script!Byron Orlok stars in a Joe Gillis script!Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16443946766217092846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-22199561824743133872012-07-15T10:20:11.954-04:002012-07-15T10:20:11.954-04:00FlickChick,
That is an awesome idea--if you start...FlickChick, <br />That is an awesome idea--if you start the blogothon, I'll sign up toot sweet!<br />Imagine:<br />Liberty Valance trains with Angel Eyes!<br />Norman Bates ends up in Shock Corridor's hospital--where RP McMurphy gets transferred to...<br />Vic from A Boy & His Dog grows up into President Snow!<br />Young Father Merrin meets Larry Talbot!<br />Abbott & Costello Meet the Dunwich Horror!<br /><br />The list is endless...Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16443946766217092846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-34587478174012275272012-07-15T09:52:34.128-04:002012-07-15T09:52:34.128-04:00Ivan - that's a good idea for a post - Charact...Ivan - that's a good idea for a post - Characters who should meet and characters who should NEVER meet!FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-11863037165833931962012-07-14T21:57:08.919-04:002012-07-14T21:57:08.919-04:00FlickChick: Thanks! And BTW, I actually think Elle...FlickChick: Thanks! And BTW, I actually think Ellen and Bruno would get on swimmingly--heh, heh--but only on neutral territory, like a moving train or a fashionalbe Midtown eatery. <br />Their psychosexual philosophies (or pathologies) of The Superwoman and Raskolnikov in Silk, respectively, would conflict if on each other's "home turf" (glorious Valhalla-like landscapes, or a dark castle with big silent dogs in it). <br />Honestly, I think it would be Uncle Charlie who would really hate Bruno--for recognizing himself in Bruno; and I think Charlie would consider Bruno as "foolish" as his victims.<br />--IvanIvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16443946766217092846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-53487819881144671572012-07-14T21:21:48.805-04:002012-07-14T21:21:48.805-04:00@ Grand Old Movies - yes, Ellen was sorely lacking...@ Grand Old Movies - yes, Ellen was sorely lacking in the humor department. The girl needed to lighten up!FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-86129506462773658682012-07-14T21:21:01.869-04:002012-07-14T21:21:01.869-04:00Lady Eve - well, I kind of see Bruno and Ellen usi...Lady Eve - well, I kind of see Bruno and Ellen using one another to attract their victims - Hitchcock with a dash of Tennessee Williams.FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-16212440288820716092012-07-14T21:19:59.945-04:002012-07-14T21:19:59.945-04:00You know what, Ivan? I completely agree with you!You know what, Ivan? I completely agree with you!FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-36263956631172155212012-07-14T21:19:18.260-04:002012-07-14T21:19:18.260-04:00@ Jeff - thanks for your comment. I think all road...@ Jeff - thanks for your comment. I think all roads really lead to Hitchcock if you think about it..FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-77143618419089658162012-07-14T19:51:47.708-04:002012-07-14T19:51:47.708-04:00Just a great post! An interesting idea, matching E...Just a great post! An interesting idea, matching Ellen & Bruno - both of them beautiful narcissists who conceive of cold-blooded murder as easily as baking a cherry pie. The one advantage Bruno has is a sense of humor - poor Ellen is seriously deficient there. Perhaps if Hitchcock had filmed 'Leave Her to Heaven,' he might have given his anti-heroine an equally ghoulish sense of hilarity.Grand Old Movieshttp://grandoldmovies.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-91690234415839372542012-07-13T15:01:06.674-04:002012-07-13T15:01:06.674-04:00Great choice, Flick Chick. Three of my favorite mo...Great choice, Flick Chick. Three of my favorite movies folded into one sharp, entertaining piece. Bruno and Ellen in the same room is an interesting thought. Bruno didn't really care for women that much, so I don't think her beauty would have transfixed him. And that might well enrage Ellen. I don't see a relationship between Bruno and Ellen going anywhere good...The Lady Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11963115499930520653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-52894179419213839262012-07-13T13:28:40.673-04:002012-07-13T13:28:40.673-04:00Thanks!Thanks!Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16443946766217092846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-9931607101251641732012-07-13T12:53:11.202-04:002012-07-13T12:53:11.202-04:00FlickChick and Ivan, I got a kick out of this line...FlickChick and Ivan, I got a kick out of this line: "To me, Ellen's story is the tragedy of this superwoman, a valkyrie, trapped in a world of 'mundanes.'" Witty and hilarious, sir! :-)DorianTBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01357778472575080022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-53764002685326728562012-07-13T10:29:47.288-04:002012-07-13T10:29:47.288-04:00Flickchick:
I dig braintrips like this, thanks. S...Flickchick: <br />I dig braintrips like this, thanks. Shadow of a Doubt is one of my faves, and Ellen is a favorite film character. I personally don't see any problems with her murdering the whole lot of them (what does she see in that sap Cornel Wilde? His books must stink). <br />To me Ellen's story is the tragedy of this superwoman, a valkyrie, trapped in a world of "mundanes."<br />Thanks,<br />IvanIvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16443946766217092846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-52449816564964643562012-07-13T10:16:32.665-04:002012-07-13T10:16:32.665-04:00Loved your post, Flickchick! To echo what others h...Loved your post, Flickchick! To echo what others here have said, Gene Tierney is so, so lovely (and so lethal) in this film, the prototypical "woman without pity." A funny and cleverly done comparison with SHADOW OF A DOUBT and STRANGERS ON A TRAIN, a connection that never occurred to me before but which makes perfect sense.Jeff Flugelhttp://thestalkingmoon.weebly.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-85479391897876198282012-07-13T08:50:10.236-04:002012-07-13T08:50:10.236-04:00Oh, Professor P - you make me blush! Thank you so ...Oh, Professor P - you make me blush! Thank you so much for your too kind and eloquent commentary.FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-91234681635677111502012-07-13T08:49:24.076-04:002012-07-13T08:49:24.076-04:00Thank you, Rick. Yes - Judy and Marnie were just m...Thank you, Rick. Yes - Judy and Marnie were just misunderstood, but were not beyond redemption. But Ellen? Well, a little too far gone!FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-63027542165454773522012-07-13T08:48:21.324-04:002012-07-13T08:48:21.324-04:00Michael W - thanks so much. I agree that the drown...Michael W - thanks so much. I agree that the drowning scene is very worthy of the master.FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-42711655833005162432012-07-12T00:43:13.300-04:002012-07-12T00:43:13.300-04:00Totally loved your comparison shopping spree with ...Totally loved your comparison shopping spree with regards to the ever-so stylish psychos (Pseudo-Hitch vs. Classic Coke Hitch)on parade in these amazing, forever-must-see films. Specifically your detailed look at what's gotta get up to get down in John Stahl's "Leave Her To Heaven." Where, of course, the only thing more gorgeous than Gene Tierney - lethal as ever while sporting nearly the same shades as the cop who wakes up Janet Leigh on the side of the road in "Psycho" and, oh yeah, a wardrobe someone I'm sure had to die for - is Leon Shamroy's ultra-well deserved Oscar winning color cinematography depicting Ms. Tierney and "friends" in various Maine, and/or New Mexico locations. In other words, it doesn't get any more beautiful/creepy than this. All of which further confirms my theory that when the would-be (not) good cinematic gals are very, very bad, the films they're in go up way more than a notch in the forever memorable, worthwhile, and, more importantly, altogether essential departments. As far as Hitchcock (most definitely - I'm sure) wishing he'd dreamed up such a had to be there gem as "Leave Her To Heaven," methinks this kicked him into an immediate high end gear that eventually brought forth such wondrous later on films showcasing alternating male and female variations on the evil hearted you theme, during the balance of his career throughout the rest of the 1940's, the 1950's and 60's, and, well into the 1970s.John Peurachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-78951394167016852472012-07-11T23:14:27.090-04:002012-07-11T23:14:27.090-04:00Intriguing comparison of LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN (a pe...Intriguing comparison of LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN (a personal fave) and SHADOW OF A DOUBT...with a dash of STRANGERS ON A TRAIN. I don't think of Marnie nor Judy as bad girls, but Ellen...well, she was gorgeous but one homicidal, obsessive cookie. And I agree that the swimming scene is one of cinema's most chilling murder scenes. A superb choice for the blogathon!Rick29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08358116647815569722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-90136776531989221462012-07-11T10:01:44.738-04:002012-07-11T10:01:44.738-04:00Lord, that drowning scene always gave me the absol...Lord, that drowning scene always gave me the absolute willies (if I had to do a collection of particularly memorable movie deaths . . . interesting idea there . . . "Leave Her To Heaven" would easily make the cut.Michael Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11808166630399508232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143901229925085760.post-26254881327305308002012-07-10T16:16:13.210-04:002012-07-10T16:16:13.210-04:00@ Christian: I agree that the use of color here is...@ Christian: I agree that the use of color here is just brilliant. I am sure Hitchcock would not have been ashamed if someone thought this was his work.FlickChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351624749230610755noreply@blogger.com